October 23, 2011 | David F. Coppedge

NCSE Takes on Creation Geologists

The science of geology operates in parallel universes.  There are the mainstream, secular geologists in the Geological Society of America who have complete hegemony in the secular universities, the mainline journals and the secular press.  Then there are the creation geologists, who publish in their own journals; these hardly enter the awareness of the other geologists.  Once in a while, though, like disturbances in the Force, emanations from the creation universe into the secular universe are felt.  The National Center for Science Education has become so alarmed at these emanations that they have warned secular geologists to (1) pay them no attention, and (2) pay attention.

Steve Newton, Programs and Policy Director for the NCSE, portrayed creation geologists as outlandish interlopers at geology conferences.  In his article for New Scientist, “Geology will survive creationist undermining,” he described how he visited some of their poster sessions and listened to some of their talks.  He had to admit that they got their degrees from legitimate institutions and knew how to “walk the walk and talk the talk.”  But to really believe the Earth is 10,000 years old and the geological record is explained by Noah’s Flood? “Geologists are understandably fuming,” he said.

Newton had a counter-intuitive proposal, though: pay them no attention.  An outright ban would give them reason to claim discrimination, for one thing (and the California Science Center recently learned that can be expensive).  For another, “science is a process,” and most outlandish ideas turn out to be wrong.  “While the exclusion of creationists can pose problems, their inclusion at conferences does little harm,” he said.  “The reputations of scientific organisations are largely unaffected, as few people even notice.”

But Eugenie Scott, founder and Executive Director of the NCSE, thinks people do notice.  That’s why her organization produced a new film about the creationists, “No Dinosaurs in Heaven,” starring her, and is taking it on the road.  Half of the film is about her raft trip down the Grand Canyon to rebut the arguments of creation geologists that the canyon is Exhibit One for the Flood.

The NCSE press release about screenings explains the reason for the film:

“No Dinosaurs in Heaven” is a film essay that examines the hijacking of science education by religious fundamentalists, threatening the separation of church and state and dangerously undermining scientific literacy.  The documentary weaves together two strands: an examination of the problem posed by creationists who earn science education degrees only to advocate anti-scientific beliefs in the classroom; and a visually stunning raft trip down the Grand Canyon, led by Dr. Eugenie Scott, that debunks creationist explanations for its formation. These two strands expose the fallacies in the “debate,” manufactured by anti-science forces, that creationism is a valid scientific alternative to evolution.

It would be hard to pack any more loaded words into a single paragraph.  Readers can watch the 3-minute trailer of Ms. Scott’s film, produced by Jezebel Productions, at www.nodinos.com.

Jezebel Productions?  Jezebel Productions!  Wahoo!  That tells you all you need to know.  That is one of the worst choices dear Ms. Scott could have ever made for a production company name (here's why).  Look, folks, if you want to float down the Grand Canyon with a bunch of crabby bigots singing “It’s a long way from amphioxus” (10/06/2005), go right ahead.  But many can say from personal experience you will have a lot more fun and personal enrichment from Tom Vail’s creation-based rafting trips, and you will see with your own eyes huge, huge things that had to have been formed rapidly in days, not millions of years.  Visit CanyonMinistries.com and sign up for next summer’s expeditions.  Creation geology will survive Jezebel’s undermining.

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  • Steve Drake says:

    Tom Vail of Canyon Ministries, in connection with Answers in Genesis, leads a Christian Leader’s Trip at least once a year down the Grand Canyon with some of these same creation geologists. The trip invites leaders, pastors, intellectuals, from across the Christian community to see the wonders of God’s creation, and the catastrophe of the universal and global Flood of Noah’s day. They offer scholarships to those Christian leaders on an ‘as needed’ basis. A worthwhile endeavor for those of your readers to support as they feel so inclined.

  • tjguy says:

    Jezebel Productions!  What a riot.  The name is very telling and says it all.  She is not being too subtle here.  Maybe she doesn’t know the end of the Jezebel story?

    Where does she get the idea that science education has been hijacked by religious fundamentalists?  What is she talking about?  I know of NO schools – outside of a handful of Christian colleges – where this is true.

    I think she is just trying to cry wolf, cause an uproar, and make some money with her film.

  • Steve Drake says:

    Looks and sounds like ‘Jezebel’ productions was intentional on Ms. Scott’s part.

  • mmartin says:

    Wow, i just watched that trailer. Not a hint of a rational argument, just arguments from ignorance.
    As in: They cannot imagine anyone not believing in evolution in spite of creationists existing in the present and could be talked to and understood, but they can “imagine” one kind of creature to evolve into another kind, for which there is no shred of evidence.
    The brainwashing goes deep.

  • Mr. G. in 302 says:

    I take issue with several items of Ms. Scott.  First, the separation of church and state does not exist.  If it did, the religion of Secular Humanism would outlaw every public school in the nation.  Second, by logic then evolutionists earn science degrees only to bash religion.  Third, as a science teacher I showed my students her quote and asked them if I have stifled their scientific literacy.  They laughed and said she ought to take one of my tests.  We out perform the SAT national and state averages yearly, and many of my students do take those tests.

    God bless this site and you!

  • marystarkey says:

    And God bless you, a teacher who believes in creation by God, is rare and deserves our prayers.  I wish I had this site and other creation sites when I was teaching biology 30 years ago. The only evidence I had to refute evolution was nature and common sense. I will be praying for you!

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