September 8, 2019 | David F. Coppedge

Did God Need a Creator?

Answering a common argument by atheists for the existence of God.

From the Baloney Detector

Atheists often argue that theists are trapped in an infinite regress. They challenge, “If God made everything, who made God?” as if the only answer is a God-maker, who required a God-maker-maker, and so on. But the argument clings just as much, if not more so, to the atheist. Since nobody believes the universe came from absolutely nothing (i.e., no mass, no energy, no categories, no information, no concepts), everybody has to start with an eternal reality – an uncaused cause. The question then becomes if the eternal reality is personal or impersonal. But why, then, would an impersonal reality ever give rise to personality? and how would a personal being be able to know it to be true, unless truth also presupposes personal cognition? The personal uncaused cause is therefore a superior starting point.

The Circular Reasoning Fallacy and Infinite Regress

Who watches the watchers? The watcher watchers. Who watches the watcher watchers? The watcher-watcher watchers (etc.)  Evolution: pushing the origin of complex specified information back to a common ancestor, then a more distant ancestor, and so on, without answering the question of where the information came from.  Panspermia: Life was brought to earth by aliens. Where did the aliens come from? They were brought to their planet by earlier aliens (etc.)  Oscillating universe: our current universe is the latest in an infinite series of oscillating universes. The multiverse: we exist because our universe was naturally selected from an infinite number of unobservable universes.

Note: Circular Reasoning is like an Infinite Regress in a circle. Infinite Regress as described here is a linear regress back into the infinite past.


This short essay comes from the Infinite Regress item in the Logical Fallacies section of the Baloney Detector.

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  • dssamuel says:

    I can think of another answer to this question. When the universe was created, Time was also created. Logically, Time can only be created by an eternal and uncaused Being because concepts like Before, Now and After without Time, are meaningless. This would mean that “Before God” is a meaningless concept.

    Does this make sense?

    David Samuel

    • That’s one idea that has been put forth, but it’s hard for us as humans living in time to think of existence without it. I encourage you to read what Christian philosophers have to say about this and get back to us with what you find.

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